ฝึกพูดภาษาอังกฤษด้วยเทคนิค Shadowing จากวิดีโอ: LAW ROACH IS AN ICONIC GUEST | ZIWE INTERVIEW

Which shoe should I pick?

The pink.

You think the pink?

Yes.

It's so cunty.

I think pink because it's like Barbie drink whore.

Yes, it's cunty.

But the Manolos are also fine.

Yeah.

But I saved that last decision for you.

Thank you.

Tonight, I interview image architect, La Roche.

Zendaya and you told me that it was her idea to do this interview.

Yes.

My pronoun is bitch.

I like to gatekeep.

I love a bad girl.

I want a rich fat man.

Our word is for you to represent your culture.

What do you think of Euphoria season three?

Mmmmm.

I just like make love to myself a lot.

You're a gooner.

What do you say to people who think you're doing too much? you you you.

Why are you biting your lip at me?

My most iconic interview yet are nip slips your 9-11.

Your little Hershey kiss pops out.

You want me to nip slip?

Who are the racists?

My attorney advised me not to do that.

Z-Wag starts now.

My next iconic guest is the first and only image architect.

Watch him on this season of Project Runway.

Please welcome, Law Roach.

You ate that.

How are you doing, Law?

Thanks for joining me.

Thanks for having me.

I'm doing really well, thank you.

Can you state for the record your race, your name, and your pronouns?

My race is African-American.

My name is Law Roach, also known as Luxury Law, and my pronoun is bitch.

Oh, bitch.

And do we capitalize the B?

Absolutely.

When we first connected at the drama premiere, Zendaya and you told me that it was her idea to do this interview.

How did that conversation go?

She said I should do Z-Way.

So let's act it out.

I'm, you're her, I'm Law.

Okay.

You know what you should do?

What?

Z-way.

And that's how it went?

Yeah.

Did you like my interpretation of your hair?

It was a little dramatic, but yeah.

You're calling me dramatic.

You're the world's first and only image architect.

Yes.

What does that mean in a literal sense?

Literally, it just means that I think that what I do is much better than other stylists.

I don't just pick a dress.

I actually help forge someone's image just the way an architect does with a builder.

Who is structurally more sound, Zendaya or the Statue of Liberty?

Zendaya.

More than Lady Liberty?

Lady Liberty is a little old, and she requires a lot of upkeep and renovation motivations, and Zadeda's not.

Wow.

Drag her.

Drag the bastion of freedom.

So, in 2023, you publicly retired from fashion saying, my cup is empty.

The politics, the lies and false narratives finally got me.

I'm out.

Heart, heart, heart.

You then kept working like Jay-Z's Black Album.

Are you a liar, a flake, or a messy bitch that lives for drama?

Well, Z-Way, I actually did stop working for like seven months and I wrote a book in the absence of me styling.

So that sounds like work, to be clear.

No, that was therapy.

And are you in therapy?

No. Okay.

So you don't know what therapy is?

No, I don't really believe in therapy.

Oh, okay.

So your book was labor.

My book was therapy to you.

How benevolent of you.

Thank you.

Now, speaking of the false narratives and the politics and the lies of the industry, who were the racists?

The racists were a lot of white women.

Name names.

My attorney advised me not to do that.

Yeah.

No, I think it's cool to protect racist people.

Let's continue.

Do you recommend fake quitting for attention?

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Just to be clear, I didn't fake quit for attention.

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I quit for real and I just happened to get a lot of attention for doing it.

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I don't want to work through the logic.

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I think that this interview is becoming very retirement-phobic.

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But you're the one who age-shamed the Statue of Liberty.

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So I just want you to sit with that and sit with your bias because you called her old, decrepit, and stale.

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And that's not appropriate for one of our nation's oldest symbols to welcome immigrants on Ellis Island.

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But you hate immigrants.

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Let's continue.

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Speaking of an immigrant, Celine Dion brought you out of retirement to style her for the Grammys.

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Oh, you just contradicted yourself.

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If I were a fake repart, how could somebody bring me out of retirement?

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How long have you waited your life around white women?

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Celine Dion is not a white woman.

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She's a queen, a goddess, an angel sent for heaven to change our entire life through song and fashion.

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What's your favorite Celine Dion song?

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My favorite, I mean, my heart will go on.

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Oh.

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Yeah, just like my career.

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I wish I could say the same for yours.

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You're getting very sharp with me.

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Lawrence.

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Ooh, who's that?

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I'm looking at the man.

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Lawrence Roach.

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Mmm.

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Not only are you f*ing up my name, but you're also misgendering me.

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Oh, sorry, bitch.

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Thank you.

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Coming up, is it harder to be gay on the south side of Chicago or black in the world of fashion?

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Black in the world of fashion.

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Really?

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Absolutely.

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Why?

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I mean, being gay on the south side of Chicago wasn't really a difficult thing for me.

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I've always been gay.

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I never really had a coming out story because I've always been out.

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But I also had a strong support system of really masculine men, my uncles and my grandfather,

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that never made me feel ashamed or different for being, you know, feminine.

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But being black in fashion...

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It's tough.

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What's tough about it?

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I just can't wait till you actually get into fashion so you can understand.

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Lot, it feels like you're insulting me.

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Are you saying that you don't think I'm very fashionable?

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No, not at all.

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You know, I've worked several times as a model across several continents.

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Sure.

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In fact, we met at a Versace show.

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Maybe.

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I don't remember.

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I remember because you said, girl, I love you.

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I say that to everyone.

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Oh.

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So you said that your long black hair is an homage to Cher.

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Mm-hmm.

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When did the hair become signature? At birth.

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Really?

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Yeah, it's natural.

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Can I touch it?

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Sure.

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Really?

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Yeah, of course.

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Really?

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Yeah, only because you're black.

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Oh my gosh, like Jimmy Fallon.

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Oh my gosh.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Don't let me touch yours.

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Okay.

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Totally different feeling.

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Oh, you want to play?

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For the Met Gala, you've dressed Zendaya, Ariana Grande, Celine Dion, Mary J.

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Blige, Anya Taylor-Joy, Hunter Schafer, Lewis Hamilton, Alton Mason, Kalani, Addison Rae, Lauren Sanchez-Bezos, and more.

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Do you feel like you're dressing District 1 from The Hunger Games?

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I've never saw The Hunger Games.

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You haven't?

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No. It's a very popular film.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Yep.

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Do you like any dystopian movies?

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Define dystopian.

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A society or a world where things are not right?

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Like Wicked?

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Sure.

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Like Wicked.

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Love Wicked.

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Wicked 1 or Wicked 2?

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2. What's your favorite song from Wicked?

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I love Wicked.

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Wicked 1 or Wicked 2?

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2. What's your favorite song from Wicked 2?

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All the ones that Ariana Grande sings.

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Oh, all the ones your client sings?

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Ariana Grande, yes.

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Got it.

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And do you usually pander like this so shamelessly?

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Define pander.

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You wrote the book.

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Not about pandering.

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Let's continue.

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What's your favorite part of helping some of America's biggest oligarchs look and feel their best?

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Define oligarch.

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Really, really, really, really rich person hoarding wealth at the top.

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Off the backs of the proletariat.

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Ooh, define proletariat.

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The working class.

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Mmm.

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Um, can you repeat the question?

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No. My service is to dress people who can afford me to dress them.

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And you know, I don't think that people would go to a doctor

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and be turned away from medical treatment because they are wealthy.

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What other similarities do you have with doctors?

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I love exams.

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Oh, okay.

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I love to recommend different cosmetic surgeries as a doctor would.

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My doctor would recommend I get cosmetic surgery?

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Sure.

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Coming up, would you rather be called tacky or the n-word?

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Depends on who's saying it.

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Why the fact that you have to think about it is nuts.

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Depends on who's saying it.

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Okay, who can call you tacky and who can call you the N-word?

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Nobody can call me tacky and the people that can call me the N-word, I can also call them the N-word.

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Got it.

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Okay, got it, got it, got it.

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So Zendaya, rather be called tacky or N-word by her?

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Oh.

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N-word.

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You said in your book that Zendaya is one of your biggest advocates in the industry.

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Yes.

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You have a catchphrase, both of us or none of us.

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Creatively speaking, when does she begin and when do you end?

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I think we're definitely one soul sharing two bodies.

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Is she your best friend?

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Sometimes she's my best friend.

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Sometimes she's my advisor.

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Sometimes she's my component because we fight.

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she's my annoying little sister.

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She is many things to me.

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And I hope that I am, you know, the same number of things to her.

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Family, like Don Torello.

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Definitely.

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So you've described yourself in Zendaya as Jordan and Pippin.

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Yes.

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Which one are you?

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I'm Pippin, for sure.

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Did you know that Scottie hates Michael?

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I did not know that.

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Can you elaborate more on this basketball reference for me?

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Like, who are these men?

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Well, I think I heard it in a rap song.

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Can you just give me a little, like, can you rap it on beat?

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Yeah, we went to the Met Gala and we was tipping because she's Michael Jordan and I'm pipping.

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This is Chicago.

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And any more details about those two men?

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The team they played on?

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The Chicago Bulls.

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And the championships number that they've won?

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Was it five?

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You're from Chicago!

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It was five, right?

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No, it was six.

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Six.

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I missed one.

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Kill me.

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When you saw Anna Sawai hit that 2025

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super fine tailoring black style Met Gala carpet in a tailored white suit and hat, how did you feel?

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I was surprised.

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I was shocked because the true story is that I knew

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that Zendaya had already walked the carpet and she was in the Met because we were texting.

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And then when I turned down and looked, I'm like, why is she doing the carpet again?

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And then it wasn't her.

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So it was just a big shock.

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Wow, so that's, even if the references are different, the looks are similar enough to mistake the unmistakable Zendaya with Anna Sawai,

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who's a lovely actress.

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Yeah, beautiful girl.

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Beautiful girl.

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Yep, beautiful girl.

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Beautiful girl.

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Yep.

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You recently went on national television and said Zendaya's real-life wedding dress was infinitely better than the fake AIs online.

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Yes.

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Can you describe the dress in three words?

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Better than AI.

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Is the reason you're not being forthcoming because you're afraid that she'll put you back in the hat again?

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No. I'm just...

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How many times a year does she let you out of the hat?

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You know, like two.

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What's wild is she wore that hat at the Teen Vogue Young Hollywood Party 2014.

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Explain yourself.

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How did the hat come to be?

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I don't know what's the discourse about the hat.

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People love the hat.

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I love it.

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I own the hat.

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You own the hat.

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Have you ever worn the hat?

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I've worn the hat. When? Where?

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I wore the hat to an event not too long ago, maybe a year ago.

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Yeah, I own the hat.

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What fits under that hat?

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My head.

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Yeah, but there's some space.

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And my brain.

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And my thoughts.

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Your thoughts.

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And my love for you.

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Oh, OK.

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Well, that's sweet.

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It's all under the hat.

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Pandering again.

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Coming up, Chloe Sevigny told Harper's Bazaar that she found stunt dressing phony, distasteful, effortful, and cringey.

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Seems like a lot of effort, all this stunt dressing.

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I feel like they're very phony and distasteful.

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As a pioneer of this red carpet style, what do you say to people who think you're doing too much? you.

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Oh.

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Do you want to clarify to camera in case they didn't catch that?

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you.

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And if I knew how to say it in different languages, I would.

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But I don't.

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I only speak English, so you.

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Our word is for you to represent your culture.

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And what culture is that?

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Nigeria.

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Leopard?

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Atunamakana.

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What the hell?

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That's Swahili.

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Sorry.

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What do you mean sorry?

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Sorry.

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Apologize to Nigeria and my Nigerian culture.

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I apologize, Nigeria, because I thought that this print represented your culture and the animals that you keep in your homes.

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Sorry, Nigeria.

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Apologize to Timon and Pumba.

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I apologize to Mona Pumba.

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Timon and Pumba.

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Timon and Pumba.

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Y'all were working with Disney for like 20 years.

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I apologize.

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I'm sorry.

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I thought I was paying homage.

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The fact that you assume that all Nigerians have a leopard in their house is crazy.

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What do you have in your house?

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A kitchen.

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Oh.

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Mary Kel Zendaya's 1995 Mugler look that you said that you could retire off of.

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Her 2011 Never See Never premiere look, which was the first look you saw for her.

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And then Zendaya's 2015 Oscars look.

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I don't want to play this game with those looks

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because I think all those looks are incredible and they really play a huge part in both of our careers.

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There's no f*ing, there's no marrying, there's no killing.

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No, we want to marry all of them.

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Okay, so you're pleading the fifth.

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And I don't understand f*.

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Does it mean like f?

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Well, I think it's up for interpretation, but it probably means f*.

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Why is that your go-to with f*ing?

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I mean...

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What about like mwah mwah?

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No, because it's like f*ing.

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Right?

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No, you tell me.

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No, I'm asking you.

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No, please define f*ing.

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I mean fing, you know?

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Why are you biting your lip at me?

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You have an unofficial red carpet boycott on Saint Laurent, Dior, Valentino, Chanel, and Gucci Gucci because they said no to dressing Zendaya when you first started out.

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Can you turn to camera and tell the kids about the importance of being petty?

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I think that there is an importance of being petty, but I've outgrown my pettiness.

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I think that holding grudges makes you ugly.

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So in my quest to become more beautiful, I've released some of the grudges that I held.

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I'm actually wearing Saint Laurent right now.

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Okay, great.

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And will Zendaya be wearing any of these on the carpet?

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No. Coming up, what'd you think of Euphoria season three?

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Hmm.

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I think that Euphoria season three was not as good as Euphoria season two.

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Oh, okay.

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What'd you think about Euphoria three?

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I did not watch it.

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Hmm.

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Are you a Zendaya hater?

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No, are you kidding?

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Her name starts with a Z.

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Why didn't you watch it?

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I don't really like the sex stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm kind of like a conservative in that way.

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Are you a virgin?

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No, I'm a Charlotte.

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Would you rather wear five-fingered toe shoes or get a delta one seat that doesn't lay flat?

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A five-fingered toe shoe?

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You would?

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Yeah.

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Because you hate when your bed doesn't lay flat.

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Yes.

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You had a public breakdown.

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Can I explain that?

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Please.

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I work really hard, and I have three careers, and I travel a lot.

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And if I wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning, and I go to the airport, and I'm getting on a flight,

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and I expect to be able to lay flat in a seat and to sleep, because when I get off that flight,

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I have to work, there is nothing wrong with me being disappointed

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that I don't get that luxury also because I paid for it.

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But I don't think I had a tantrum.

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I think I just let Delta know that at that moment- You let them know?

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I was disappointed.

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How did you let them know?

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Dear Delta, I am disappointed that I paid for a lay flat seat

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and I did not receive that on a six hour flight

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when I had been working the day before and I was getting off the plane to go to work again.

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Some of the criticism around this is that people were like, why don't you use your platform to end homelessness or to heal the baby seals?

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The platform that I wanted was the platform that lays flat with a comforter and a pillow.

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And by the way, what medallion are you?

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Delta Diamond 360.

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I started at Delta Gravel.

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What are the perks of that one?

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There was.

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And I worked my up from gravel to diamond.

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Started from the bottom.

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Now we here.

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As far as fashion faux pas, are nip slips your 9-11?

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Love.

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You like a nip slip?

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Love.

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Really?

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Why?

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Especially for someone that's, of course, at the age of cassette.

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It's great that people have followed you and supported your career.

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And what better way than to give them a nip slip?

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Oh, give back by showing your areola.

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Correct.

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Got it.

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Show yours.

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You want me to nip slip? Of course.

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Why?

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Because you have to do it in a way that you really, that is just a slip.

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It can be on purpose.

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It has to be like you're walking, the wind is blowing, you have on a beautiful John Galliano Dior bias cut slip dress, and all of a sudden.

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Pacific.

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And then your little Hershey kiss pops out.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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My Hershey kiss pops out.

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You know I'm a Charlotte.

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You look like Charlotte today, but I've seen you be a Samantha. When?

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Couple days ago.

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Just saying.

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And what are you?

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Charlotte, for sure.

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You're Charlotte?

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Absolutely.

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Coming up, marry, kill, Oscars, Grammys, Met Gala.

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Kill, Oscars, the Grammys, meaning like the Grammys, right?

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That was very crass.

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And then the Met Gala.

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Mary, cause I love it.

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Do you have a motion for the Met Gala?

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Oh stop, oh my God!

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I have to blur that out.

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I apologize to the children at home watching.

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No children watches this.

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How dare you, I'm very popular.

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Z-Way love the kids and the kids love Z-Way.

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All right.

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What did more damage to the black community?

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The crack epidemic or the Kardashians calling cornrows boderic braids?

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Never forget, never forget 9-11.

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That was my 9-11.

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Never forget.

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The crack epidemic for sure.

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Has a skimpy celebrity outfit ever made you clutch your pearls, by the way?

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Like how much skin is too much skin?

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Mmm.

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Like should we all be going full Biancas and Sori?

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Yes.

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Okay, you like the naked look.

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I'm not sure I like the naked look just for shock value.

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But there is a story about Grace Jones going to an event with just hair.

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And I think it's something powerful about a woman being really secure in her body

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that she can show up to an event naked.

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And I don't think we have those type of girls anymore.

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I love a bad girl that has no inhibitions.

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I love a Rihanna walking out of the club with a glass of wine.

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You know what I mean?

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I think that we are missing those type of women now.

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And I miss those type of girls.

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You got to stop those girls.

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They're out there.

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There are any ladies out there that want to show up to the event beautiful and naked, call me.

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So you own a 17-acre piece of land in Georgia.

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24. Because you wanted to reclaim a plantation.

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Yeah.

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Do you ever feel haunted by the ghost of the Confederacy?

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No, I feel uplifted by the ghost of Harriet Tubman.

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Good.

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Speaking of Harriet Tubman, do you think that she would look better in Mugler or custom Emanuel Ngaro?

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I think she would look better in Schiaparelli by Daniel Roseberry.

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Oh, what look in particular?

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Look 34.

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From which season?

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Um, the last season.

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I almost pulled the Ngaro look for today.

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Oh, I wish you would've.

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But you decided to wear that.

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And what's wrong with this vintage Chanel 1994 spring summer suit?

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Nothing.

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How many black friends do you have?

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I only have black friends.

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Name them.

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Shanika, Shekana, Sharitha, Zazaria, Tameka, Salat.

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You said one of your biggest influences is your grandmother, Eloise, who put you on to vintage shopping, aka junking.

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as well as your gorgeous mother and Zendaya.

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Turn to camera and speak to your love of black women.

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I love black women.

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I think black women are the most special,

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powerful beings on the face of this planet.

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And they literally hold the world on their shoulders.

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I love them so much.

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but not so much that I want to have sex with them or to be them.

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Oh.

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But I love them.

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Coming up, you identify as aromantic.

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Yes.

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Have you ever considered going on Love Island to find someone?

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No, but I want to be a host on Love Island.

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Do you watch Love Island?

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I don't.

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What do you do with your free time?

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No, I sleep a light and I research

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because I want to be the best image architect I can be and other than that, I just make love to myself a lot.

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Oh, got it.

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Because I'm aromantic.

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Okay, so you goon, you're a gooner.

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Not really a gooner, that's a little excessive.

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But do you look on Twitter for imagery or how do you get started?

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That is such a personal question, Z-way.

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Well, you brought it up.

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No one told you to talk about touching yourself.

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You were first inspired to become a fashion stylist by Rachel Zoe saying she gave me something to dream about.

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Yes.

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What do you think about her career as a Real Housewife?

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And do you have any aspirations to be on a reality TV show?

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I do.

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I want to be on Real Housewives of Atlanta so bad.

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What would your catchphrase be?

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Getting all these girls on the show was really genius.

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But the only thing you are missing is a penis.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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In the previews for this season of Project Runway, season 22, you go back and forth with Tyra Banks. Be honest.

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As a fashion-loving gay boy from the south side of Chicago, was it your dream to be clocked by Tyra Banks?

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Did she clock me?

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You tell me.

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I don't think so.

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As far as you two disagreeing, is it a battle of the titans?

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I don't think we had a clash at all.

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I think we have a difference in opinion and a difference in what's fashionable and what's not.

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Got it.

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And who's right?

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Me.

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What drama do we have to look forward to this season?

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I think not only do you have the drama with the contestants, you also have the drama with the judges.

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You and Tyra.

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Who else fights?

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You keep wanting to bring it back to Tyra, but I fight with all the judges.

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You do?

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Every single one.

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You're like the Nicki Minaj of American Idol.

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Not Nicki Minaj.

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You said you fought with everybody.

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We're landing this plane.

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Do you have a funeral outfit picked out?

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Yeah.

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You do?

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Okay, so I want my funeral.

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First of all, I have to have, like, Carla Otto or Lucien Pages do my funeral, my guest list.

603

I need Celine Dion to sing Amazing Grace.

604

I want to be buried in custom Schiaparelli by Daniel Roseberry.

605

What if he decides I should die in?

606

I need catering, I need a step and repeat.

607

I want Zendaya to be there with a remake of the hat that Coretta Scott King wore to Martin's funeral.

608

Like, she knows this already.

609

If you're not dressed up, you cannot get in.

610

And if you don't do that, then I will haunt you.

611

Oh.

612

Yeah.

613

Do you know how you'd like to die in this scenario, or?

614

I would love to die either at Bergdorf's or, you know, boarding a private jet somewhere.

615

Wow.

616

With the Birkin.

617

With the Birkin.

618

Yeah.

619

How do you think this went?

620

Great.

621

I just, like, make love to myself a lot.

622

Fabulous.

623

I enjoy myself.

624

What do you want your last words on screen to be?

625

I love Zee Wei and I wish her years

626

and years of success and millions and millions of dollars and a big cat that she can have in her house.

627

A large cat?

628

Leopard, cheetah.

629

I can't.

630

Something exotic that she can raise as her own.

631

In the brush.

632

As her child.

633

You disgust me.

634

Yeah.

635

Give it up for La Roche!

636

Did you bring the Birkin?

637

I didn't bring the Birkin.

638

La was explicitly instructed to bring the Birkin that George Santos used in this interview.

639

He was the facilitator of that.

640

I stuffed $100 bills into the Birkin, and it was manhandled by an alleged scammer, but he didn't bring the Birkin.

641

But you're part of Z-Way Dreamhouse history.

642

Thank you.

643

So thank you for that.

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